Harris did not win the primary.

Also, in several States, the Democratic party broke the law, and their own internal rule to make sure that Biden was the only candidate on the ballot.

It wasn't a democratic selection, no matter how much you want to imply that it was.

I just discovered my neighbor is a moonie, and proudly described himself as such.

I was surprised as I thought it was a derogatory term for them.

And I'm not sure I'll ever agree with someone that is willing to overlook their ally committing genocide in the forlorn hope that that ally won't target the group you identify with.

You're not minimizing murder.

You're just trying to placate the murderer.

You do support that path.

You are actively doing so right now.

The point about genocide being binary is that someone is either willing to commit it, or they aren't.

Biden and Harris(and Trump, presumably) are willing to commit genocide. The basis of that willingess is an underlying belief that some people matter more than other people. And some people don't matter at all.

And you hope that by supporting the people that hold that belief that they won't add your group to the list of people that don't matter to them.

There were lots of Germans that felt the same way. We have literal books of history and poems telling us that they were wrong. Fuck, I know you've heard at least one poem making this point.

'''First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

'''

That's you. Doing everything you can to ignore the Democrats already signaling that they would be willing to throw trans people under the bus.

You think my side are being morally condescending and use phrases like 'high horse' But that is just people who support the Democratic party trying to justify their own willingness to work with genociders. I'm not trying to pass moral judgement on you and your side.

I'm trying to explain to you that the moral quandary is not new. It is old, and has happened many times before, and your strategy HAS NEVER WORKED BEFORE.

Imagine you have two children, and someone kidnaps you and them and tells you to choose which one lives, and if you don't choose, they will kill both.

If you don't pick, who is responsible for killing the children? You for not choosing or the person that pulled the trigger?

EDIT: not sure why the poem is not formatting correctly.

Pretending that the current path doesn't have us give bombs to Israel that they then intentionally drop on hospitals full of children is the path you're choosing.

I literally just watched a little girl hooked up to an IV burn to death from a bomb you paid for.

That is the path you support.

100 infantry on the frontline is a lot riskier than support personal on an aircraft carrier nearby.

In a ballistic missle exchange, air defense is the front line.There is literally a term for it: SEAD

Any THAAD system will be a target when Iran responds to whatever lunacy Bibi concocts. And, as THAAD systems have to be operated by American military personal, that will mean that American military personal will die by a legitimate military action by Iran.

Seriously, I don't know how this isn't clear.

You apparently don't understand the meaning of the phase 'bad faith'. Not that it would matter, as I'm literally responding to your points. You just don't like them, so you ignore them.

The country of Israel is younger than my still living father. To imply otherwise is to ignore all recent history, and the terrorism that was allowed to create the modern state of Israel. A nation, I might add, that has little to do with the indigenous populations. This bullshit of generations is either bad faith attempts at propaganda, or ignorance bordering on criminal. My father is older than this country.

EDIT:

This is the literal reason I called your statements propaganda. I'm quoting them here since you seemed to miss it the first time, and ignored the point.

Time is linear. Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda. You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you

I like how your big slam dunk is to admit that you’ve been on this bullshit for over 20 years now and haven’t learned a damn thing if you think “stand aside and let Gaza be annexed outright” is a defensible position.

No, I've learned that when I give the Democratic party control of all three houses, they break their own promises and refuse to use the power they've been given in any meaningful way.

I remember the murdered peace movement when Obama got into office and got the American Foreign Wars Count up from 2 to 16.

I remember the dead promise to legislate a law protecting abortion when the Democratic party had all three branches of the government and absolutely could have passed legislation.

I remember holding my nose and voting for Clinton as she then continued to run the worst campaign I've ever seen and then, as fucking always, blame it on the left.

My gotcha is I've lived a life of watching the Democratic party attack its base for the worst causes and try to shame anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish into voting for them again.

Letting Trump Win is an action which furthers genocide and me pointing that out is not boomer shit, you’re over a decade older than me and yet you’re carrying yourself with the mental maturity of the inverse.

Genocide is Binary. Harris has made it clear (in so much as she has made any policy view that she holds clear) that she will follow Bidens current policy.

Biden is currently committing genocide. And yes, giving weapons to the person doing it is the same as doing it. Especially if you could stop it with a single phone call.

So then where the fuck do you get off advocating for letting the guy who’s already handed Israel East Jerusalem, West Bank, and The Golan Heights back into office to recognize Gaza as Rightful Israel Clay?

And did less damage through that then what is currently happening right now. Not defending Trump here, but you seem incapable of recognizing that the worst crime that can be committed is happening now. Under Biden.

Again, Genocide is binary. It is happening now. You can try and ignore that, if it will make you feel better somehow, but you know exactly what you would have been doing in the Weimar Republic, or how you would have felt about John Brown before the civil war.

There is absolutely no self-consistent moral framework that will support your current arguments. If your moral system is just "That feels wrong, that feels right" with no actual value system, then I'm sure that that is fine with you.

Versus the unbridled rape and murder of Palestine now?

Jesus fucking christ… Why does everything that anyone disagrees with “propaganda”? Why can’t it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can’t discuss something without it being “obvious propaganda” or some other bullshit?

Time is linear.

Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda.

You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you.

Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don’t agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide.

Again, time is linear. That is absolutely black and white.

The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.

There is a big difference between being in that theater and putting american troops that you know will be a priority target that will be killed if Iran defends itself against another Israeli attack.

I repeat, there is a reason this wasn't given to Ukraine.

Genocide and harm reduction do not belong in the same sentence.

Genocide is binary.

I'm in my forties. I'm a millennial.

This is just some more 'damn kids' boomer bullshit.

Genocide is binary.

Anything that furthers genocide is not capable of being harm reduction.

Genocide is binary.

Trying to make it analog is just trying to justify the unjustifiable.

That who neglected?

EDIT: also, why are you saying there is a hole when just a little while ago you were saying Iran was incapable of damaging Israeli targets with ballistic missiles?

It's putting 100 US military personal in place to operate a legitimate military target that will be one of the first things targeted.

We didn't give this to Ukraine, despite them begging for it, because of the implications of US military personal potentially being killed by Russia.

Seriously, to the people acting like the obvious next step to ww3 is no big deal, what happened to your critical thinking skills? Do they go out the window, along with any anti war sentiment, when a Democratic president is in office?

It is not proportional.

The Iranians ballistic missile launch was in retaliation for Israel assassinating a visiting diplomat in their capital and for Israel's terror attack against Lebanon.

Get out of here with this obvious propaganda that completely ignores the rogue nation of Israel's attempt to start a regional war to save the political career of someone trying their best to get trump elected.

It sucks when current events happen just minutes later proving your propaganda wrong.

Fine, then the fact that Iran hit many of the targets has become public despite the Israelis best attempt to censor that information from coming out should tell you everything you need to know.

So should the fact that Iran got through with their first attack despite preemptively giving the targets to US/Israel, and that US did most of the interceptions at the cost of 1 billions dollars, and Israel used up most of its stock of ammunition.

By the by, given the cost of the ballistic missiles and the cost of the interceptors, hitting nothing is still a success. Not that that is relevant to this conversation give the fact that we know they did hit quite a few of their targets.

EDIT: Speaking of, a drone attack from Hezbollah hit a mess hall for a military base in Haifa. 67 confirmed casualties reported so far. Iron Dome didn't even detect it.

The port of Eliat is bankrupt.

The economy of Israel is in a tailspin from the combined efforts of Yemen, and Hezbollah.

But yeah, sure, an economy being destroyed isn't military damage.

Let me guess, the blockade of the south during the civil war didn't accomplish anything, right?