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    Miphera
    2d ago 66%

    Don't you feel that you just see it that way because you're on the opposing side on this? This sounds to me exactly the same as how a homophobe for example would describe gay rights activists.

    Just go through all the points you mentioned in this and your previous comment, and replace those scenarios with the issues of various types of bigotry and ethical issues like transphobia, racism, child labour, slave labour etc.

    Don't get hung up on how bad these are in comparison to each other, that's not the point. Just look at how they're all ethical issues where a group of sentient beings are being harmed, and what kind of advocacy you're in favour of to prevent that harm. And why you would see the one issue you might be on the side of the harm being carried out so differently.

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  • Honey
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    Miphera
    2d ago 100%

    Again, all of these reactions to stimuli can be explained as direct, chemical reactions, not signals that get sent to a central unit, are processed, being "felt", and then being reacted to. There is no one thing or being in plants like the central nervous system of animals that is capable of feeling something.

    Regarding the topic of sentience, I propose looking at it like this:

    There's a range of definitions that is somewhere around it being the capacity to perceive, to be aware, to be/exist from ones own perspective. However you define it, a central nervous system or other type of similar central unit would have to be a requirement, because that is what would actually be sentient. You are your brain, your hand is just part of your body, if it was chopped off, it by itself is not sentient.

    And whatever vague definition of it you go with, there's two options: Either sentience is real, or it isn't. If it isn't real, literally nothing matters, gg. If it is real, non-human animals with central nervous systems, and therefore sentience and the capacity to suffer, deserve ethical consideration, and we should do what is reasonably possible to reduce their suffering and death.

    Since we don't know the answer to the existence of sentience, we should err on the side of caution. If we're wrong, and we're all as sentient as a rock, the inconvenience we'd have suffered in our efforts to protect fellow sentient-but-actually-not beings can't be felt by us, no harm done. If we're right, the suffering we'll have prevented, in both scale and intensity, is indescribable.

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  • Honey
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    Miphera
    2d ago 50%

    Reacting to stimuli like the colour of light is irrelevant. My phone camera would fall into the same category, then. A light switch reacts to getting pressed and turns on a light, it's reacting to a stimulus.

    What matters is sentience, which plants cannot possess, since they don't have a central nervous system. And even if they did, a diet that includes meat takes more plants, since those animals have to be fed plants in order to raise them.

    They all make it up as they go along. It's very similar to religious beliefs in the way it is personal. Each has their own set beliefs on where to draw the line of what is vegan and what is not

    The extent to which we are tied to every living thing on Earth means that many vegans have set impossible goals.

    Regarding these two, is this any different from human rights? Where people draw the line regarding slave labour, child labour, which type of humans they care about (considering racism, homophobia, trans phobia, ableism etc). I'm sure lots of people have impossible goals regarding human rights, but working to get as close to those as possible is still sensible.

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  • Are there any animes or TV shows you can't stop recommending?
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    Miphera
    1w ago 100%

    Ok, I'll plan on reading the light novels then. Seems like it's pretty long, and I personally adore the premise, so I'm really looking forward to this!

    Since you added on a separate recommendation with Wheel of Time, I'll add one as well and hope it's not in your >1k books yet: the webnovel called Worm. If you already read it, I'd love to hear your thoughts instead :)

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  • Are there any animes or TV shows you can't stop recommending?
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    Miphera
    2w ago 100%

    Are you referring to Ascendance of a Bookworm? If so, would you recommend I keep watching the anime whenever a new season comes out, or jump into the manga?

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  • news
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    Nate Silver predicts Trump has 64% chance of winning the electoral college in latest forecast
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    Miphera
    1mo ago 100%

    Perhaps person A's prediction would improve

    But in this hypothetical scenario of explicitly unweighted coins, Person A was entirely correct in the odds they gave. There's nothing to improve.

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    Nate Silver predicts Trump has 64% chance of winning the electoral college in latest forecast
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    Miphera
    1mo ago 100%

    How about this:

    Two people give the odds for the result of a coin flip of non-weighted coins.

    Person A: Heads = 50%, Tails = 50%

    Person B: Heads = 75%, Tails = 25%

    The result of the coin flip ends up being Heads. Which person had the more accurate model? Did Person A get something wrong?

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